tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post4771593757184436305..comments2023-06-07T19:15:54.991+08:00Comments on 沒翅膀的我: Jobswillsinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-25583995372796361792011-10-13T15:10:32.369+08:002011-10-13T15:10:32.369+08:00各位, 若你的留言包括某 plain text 網址的話, 可能會被過濾掉. (例如 lin 及 c...各位, 若你的留言包括某 plain text 網址的話, 可能會被過濾掉. (例如 lin 及 cyc 的連結.)<br /><br />我暫時都不知道怎樣修改這種設定. 若大家知道怎樣做的話, 請告訴我.<br /><br />若你的留言不幸被阻掉了, 亦請通知, 我會盡快找出來放回原處的.willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-83130650388550529752011-10-13T14:52:54.708+08:002011-10-13T14:52:54.708+08:00It is a very interesting article. Thanks for the l...It is a very interesting article. Thanks for the link.<br /><br />I didn't realize that the setting of the Blogspot will block comments that contain html links until many of you told me so.<br /><br />I will look into the setting.willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-17007369137106606072011-10-13T12:16:23.613+08:002011-10-13T12:16:23.613+08:00I tried to share this but it didn't come throu...I tried to share this but it didn't come through the first time:<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/epitaph-for-steve-jobs-too-great-to-be-good/2011/10/12/gIQADCIsfL_story.htmllinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-44245875069328900912011-10-11T12:15:32.306+08:002011-10-11T12:15:32.306+08:00哈, 連陶才子都說 He's not a nice guy.
Yan, 謝謝連結.
wi...哈, 連陶才子都說 He's not a nice guy. <br />Yan, 謝謝連結.<br /><br />willsinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-71753314601608842102011-10-11T10:16:55.515+08:002011-10-11T10:16:55.515+08:00喬布斯學<a href="http://www1.hk.apple.nextmedia.com/template/apple_sub/art_main.php?iss_id=20111009&sec_id=12187389&art_id=15686837" rel="nofollow"> 喬布斯學 </a>Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-57961662379066471692011-10-09T19:15:52.553+08:002011-10-09T19:15:52.553+08:00Lin, Thanks for your clarification.
Cyc, The mess...Lin, Thanks for your clarification.<br /><br />Cyc, The message has been resumed.willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-40082653701724761862011-10-09T16:12:05.023+08:002011-10-09T16:12:05.023+08:00唔知點解(可能是貼了條link),我上面有篇留言唔見咗。。。
cyc唔知點解(可能是貼了條link),我上面有篇留言唔見咗。。。<br /><br />cycAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-39989599914931945162011-10-09T13:36:42.550+08:002011-10-09T13:36:42.550+08:00Willsin:
//1. 原來我是受到全球經濟衰退影響所以才會悼念 SteveJobs? 好野!...Willsin:<br /><br />//1. 原來我是受到全球經濟衰退影響所以才會悼念 SteveJobs? 好野!我自己都唔知。// I wasn't even thinking about you when I wrote about economic depression as one of the possible factors for the collective mourning. <br /><br />//2. 單單因為這個世界有些歌頌 Jobs 的文字寫得佷cheap, 所以我們也要反對任何對 Jobs 的讚頌文章?好野,大家果然有獨立思考的能力。// I don't know if you were referring to what I wrote there. But for me personally, I have read some great 讚頌文章 about Steve Jobs. And for sure, I wasn't in any way "against" your piece. <br /><br />I have been following the reactions to Jobs' passing closely on the news partly because I am a Mac faithful and Jobs admirer myself and partly because I have always been fascinated by the fervor among the Mac faithful. Well, I wasn't thinking of you piece either when I wrote about "the chicken soup for the soul" types of articles. I was mainly thinking of those "suddenly inspired" who did not know much about Jobs and the history of Apple. I wonder why all of a sudden Steve Jobs's life resonates so much with everybody and what perceptions these new admirers have of Jobs. On another note, it seems to me that the representation of Jobs before he came back to Apple in the late 1990s was very different from the representative of Jobs in the last few years.<br /><br />So, my original response was mostly to Wong. Sorry for hijacking your blog.Linnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-17903714299761871852011-10-09T11:59:39.693+08:002011-10-09T11:59:39.693+08:00那我們對 nice 的理解有不同了.那我們對 nice 的理解有不同了.willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-12323700659367884262011-10-09T10:52:22.458+08:002011-10-09T10:52:22.458+08:001. Lin 的語調分明是 speculative 的,而且沒有說每一個悼念 Steve Jobs ...1. Lin 的語調分明是 speculative 的,而且沒有說每一個悼念 Steve Jobs 的人都是如此。<br /><br />2. 他的產品 nice 和他是個 nice guy 當然是兩回事啦!<br /><br />3. 誰在這裏講過有這「因為... 所以... 」的關係?至少我沒有。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-56096242995397175862011-10-09T10:45:31.210+08:002011-10-09T10:45:31.210+08:00Wong,
可能我哋對“nice”呢個字理解好唔同。我有時都話人nice,但我心目中多數是讚賞,...Wong,<br /><br /><br />可能我哋對“nice”呢個字理解好唔同。我有時都話人nice,但我心目中多數是讚賞,而不是歌頌。<br /><br />我唸willsin篇嘢,同類似以下這篇,是有好本質上嘅分別,<br /><br />http://blog.stnn.cc/wimydw/Efp_Bl_1005470813.aspx<br /><br />cycAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-25677684945100445062011-10-09T10:38:19.246+08:002011-10-09T10:38:19.246+08:001. 原來我是受到全球經濟衰退影響所以才會悼念 SteveJobs? 好野!我自己都唔知。
2. ...1. 原來我是受到全球經濟衰退影響所以才會悼念 SteveJobs? 好野!我自己都唔知。<br /><br />2. 説某君是個 nice guy 原來那麼難!即使他推出的產品你十分喜歡,你都不可以說他是 nice guy!<br /><br />3. 單單因為這個世界有些歌頌 Jobs 的文字寫得佷cheap, 所以我們也要反對任何對 Jobs 的讚頌文章?好野,大家果然有獨立思考的能力。willsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13511522581504937498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-1281130155985848602011-10-09T08:52:30.598+08:002011-10-09T08:52:30.598+08:00sorry typo ... i meant to say
... the rise and ...sorry typo ... i meant to say <br /><br /> ... the rise and fall of these products does not come close to Jobs' inspiration ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-25553923310818772712011-10-09T07:46:37.124+08:002011-10-09T07:46:37.124+08:00Lin,
Thanks very much for your insightful commen...Lin, <br /><br />Thanks very much for your insightful comments ...<br /><br />I am not a sociologist so I may not have the insightful eyes like yours to see the link between the collective mourning and global economic depression ... my 2-cents' worth of comment is that, I think, Jobs' followers think highly of him because of his inspiration, 一種生的感覺, 一種對生活的希望和活力, as willsin put succinctly ... I have seen the come-and-go of PC's and other mainframe and mid-range computers, the come-and-go of Windows, and the recent rise of Linux ... the rise and fall of these products does come close to Jobs' inspiration ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-73597647026319536492011-10-09T06:57:19.652+08:002011-10-09T06:57:19.652+08:00//I hate the most the "chicken soup for the s...//I hate the most the "chicken soup for the soul" type Facebook or blog entries about Jobs.//<br /><br />- Same here, lin.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-21529578596460766862011-10-09T06:47:53.349+08:002011-10-09T06:47:53.349+08:00Wong:
//And we can recognize his achievements wit...Wong:<br /><br />//And we can recognize his achievements without engaging in hagiolatry.//<br /><br />I hate the most the "chicken soup for the soul" type Facebook or blog entries about Jobs. It is interesting to see the people jumping on the Jobs worshipping bandwagon at the last minute. <br /><br />As a sociologist, I observe the reactions to Jobs' passing with great interests. I have started to think that the collective mourning has much to do with the global economic depression that we yearn for the era of optimism and creativity. It's nicer to remember a college dropout making it big than to face the reality of unemployed college grads saddled with huge student loans.<br /><br />We need something, someone, to worship.linnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-91059580563432901002011-10-09T05:20:41.789+08:002011-10-09T05:20:41.789+08:00//有些人是地產商, 有些人有良心, 但這並不代表這個世界有些地產商同時會是有良心的人。//
這個說...//有些人是地產商, 有些人有良心, 但這並不代表這個世界有些地產商同時會是有良心的人。//<br />這個說話有問題﹐且偏頗並帶有煽動性<br />你只能說「但這既不代表這個世界有些地產商同時會是有良心﹐但也不排除這世界有些地產商同時會是有良心。」Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-62641379244893563142011-10-09T02:58:33.361+08:002011-10-09T02:58:33.361+08:00And we can recognize his achievements without enga...And we can recognize his achievements without engaging in hagiolatry.W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-77199184843517100282011-10-09T02:39:08.623+08:002011-10-09T02:39:08.623+08:00It is not easy to find electronics or other produc...It is not easy to find electronics or other products for that matter that are free from the use of sweatshop labor. Foxconn doesn't manufacture only Apple products. A product can be "sweat-free" in one part of the process but if you look closely in the production chain, it might not be "sweat-free" after all. This is what capitalism is about. "Nice" and "bad" people alike participate in the exploitative system. Choosing one brand over another doesn't do much. <br /><br />Most of us won't change our consumption habits even when we are well aware of the labor abuse, discrimination, frauds, and other corporate abuses. Most of us are not "nice" that wya.<br /><br />I love Apple products; I am fascinated by Steve Jobs's life and admire his genius, I dig his philosophy of the relationship between technology and its users. I think his ideas and his products, manufactured and marketed through the exploitative capitalism system, have indeed changed many of our lives for the better. And he doesn't have to be a "nice" person to achieve that.linnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-32805265246658973512011-10-08T23:19:52.151+08:002011-10-08T23:19:52.151+08:00wong是不是nice我不知,只知我同意他對這篇文的留言。
"sweatshop的問題,...wong是不是nice我不知,只知我同意他對這篇文的留言。<br /><br />"sweatshop的問題,我沒有說Jobs完全沒有責任。不過,我當初只是說他是個 nice person, 我想這兩者沒有矛盾吧。 "<br /><br />看來版主對nice字定義非常寬,我不會覺有份負sweatshops責任又死口否認用sweatshops的人會nice得去邊。Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-29570048534377791832011-10-08T20:52:09.233+08:002011-10-08T20:52:09.233+08:00wong,
//你這裏是個奇怪的地方//
strange fella comes to stra...wong,<br /><br />//你這裏是個奇怪的地方//<br /><br />strange fella comes to strange place ... this is not the first time you think you are being attacked ... <br /><br />you sure you don't have 妄想迫害症 ?<br /><br />be nice ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-78319711117651297692011-10-08T15:13:16.684+08:002011-10-08T15:13:16.684+08:00//我沒有iphone. 也未有買iphone 的打算。
我阿媽生日,佢話要 iphone, 我周...//我沒有iphone. 也未有買iphone 的打算。<br /><br />我阿媽生日,佢話要 iphone, 我周園問都冇貨。你冇買的打算也很精明。Yanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543452661425487649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-38514310646868470382011-10-08T14:30:40.543+08:002011-10-08T14:30:40.543+08:00cyc,
//假如,我喜歡Coca-Cola而唔喜歡Pepsi,然後用willsin方式寫篇文話我...cyc,<br /><br />//假如,我喜歡Coca-Cola而唔喜歡Pepsi,然後用willsin方式寫篇文話我覺得Coca-Cola嘅CEO好rich同nice。咁算唔算歌頌同美化佢?//<br /><br />- 說他 nice 已是歌頌,有沒有美化則看歌頌是否合理。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-9841967752607706702011-10-08T13:33:16.826+08:002011-10-08T13:33:16.826+08:00Wong,
我其實唔係好明,單就呢篇文講,willsin點樣歌頌、美化Jobs?
(假如,我喜歡...Wong,<br /><br />我其實唔係好明,單就呢篇文講,willsin點樣歌頌、美化Jobs?<br /><br />(假如,我喜歡Coca-Cola而唔喜歡Pepsi,然後用willsin方式寫篇文話我覺得Coca-Cola嘅CEO好rich同nice。咁算唔算歌頌同美化佢?)<br /><br />cycAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4117753732745943595.post-32085516185677136522011-10-08T12:21:10.721+08:002011-10-08T12:21:10.721+08:00你這裏是個奇怪的地方,幾乎我每次留言都會給人人身攻擊!我只是說有人將 Steve Jobs 美化了,...你這裏是個奇怪的地方,幾乎我每次留言都會給人人身攻擊!我只是說有人將 Steve Jobs 美化了,甚至神化了,竟然變了鞭他的屍。W. Wonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161244576570372004noreply@blogger.com